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    stage 3 clutch

    ive found a couple deals with a spec stage 3, was wondering if this is a good clutch for a daily driver....



    2002 SOM Firebird Formula
    G5X1 112LSA UD Pulley Pacesetter LT Headers
    True Duals w/cutouts Volant CAI
    Ported TB Pro 5.0
    Textralia OZ700 assembly
    Strange 12 bolt with 4.10s
    UMI Adj. PHB/LCAs/SFCs
    417.76 RWHP 401.98 RWTQ
    17x9.5 275/40/17 18x9.5 295/35/18 C6Z06 Reps. with Verdesteins

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    It should be a good clutch for a daily driver.

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    awesome, thanks for clearing it up for me....i might be able to pick up a stage 3 and a flywheel for 600...that would be awesome



    2002 SOM Firebird Formula
    G5X1 112LSA UD Pulley Pacesetter LT Headers
    True Duals w/cutouts Volant CAI
    Ported TB Pro 5.0
    Textralia OZ700 assembly
    Strange 12 bolt with 4.10s
    UMI Adj. PHB/LCAs/SFCs
    417.76 RWHP 401.98 RWTQ
    17x9.5 275/40/17 18x9.5 295/35/18 C6Z06 Reps. with Verdesteins

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    Ya that would be. I am putting a Spec Twin in mine. Pics are in my thread in the sig. I am told by many people that the pedal feel is relatively close to stock as well. So that says good things about SPEC. Time will tell when it cranks up on Monday.

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    cool man, ive been following the build, looks awesome man, monday is gonna be a glorious day im sure!!



    2002 SOM Firebird Formula
    G5X1 112LSA UD Pulley Pacesetter LT Headers
    True Duals w/cutouts Volant CAI
    Ported TB Pro 5.0
    Textralia OZ700 assembly
    Strange 12 bolt with 4.10s
    UMI Adj. PHB/LCAs/SFCs
    417.76 RWHP 401.98 RWTQ
    17x9.5 275/40/17 18x9.5 295/35/18 C6Z06 Reps. with Verdesteins

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    so i talked to ron at vengeance today and he told me that hes seen alot of problems with the spec clutches, just wondering if anyone else has had problems with theres too??



    2002 SOM Firebird Formula
    G5X1 112LSA UD Pulley Pacesetter LT Headers
    True Duals w/cutouts Volant CAI
    Ported TB Pro 5.0
    Textralia OZ700 assembly
    Strange 12 bolt with 4.10s
    UMI Adj. PHB/LCAs/SFCs
    417.76 RWHP 401.98 RWTQ
    17x9.5 275/40/17 18x9.5 295/35/18 C6Z06 Reps. with Verdesteins

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    Everybody has their opinions on them. I actually prefer Textralia but they can't handle the big power. I have tried Ram and Clutchmaster and HATE them. I know a bunch of people that swear by the SPEC though. What did Ron suggest for you?

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    he basically swore by textralia....said hes never seen an issue with his experience with them...



    2002 SOM Firebird Formula
    G5X1 112LSA UD Pulley Pacesetter LT Headers
    True Duals w/cutouts Volant CAI
    Ported TB Pro 5.0
    Textralia OZ700 assembly
    Strange 12 bolt with 4.10s
    UMI Adj. PHB/LCAs/SFCs
    417.76 RWHP 401.98 RWTQ
    17x9.5 275/40/17 18x9.5 295/35/18 C6Z06 Reps. with Verdesteins

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    Textralias are AWESOME! I had one. For under 700 hp they are good. Nice pedal feel. Bit pricey though.

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    yea thats what ive learned, Ron said for the entire assembly it was 950...damn it i hate having expensive hobbies with empty pockets....he also told me that hes had nothing but problems with the PRC head/cam package, told me that they get milled too thin on the top side and when pressure is applied to the rocker, the heads pretty much implode....he recommended the trickflows....way too much for my budget tho....was gonna talk to him again about the ls6 heads... do you know if there is a big difference with hp gains between the ls6 and the trickflow? if its only a few hp then ill take the loss for the better price....



    2002 SOM Firebird Formula
    G5X1 112LSA UD Pulley Pacesetter LT Headers
    True Duals w/cutouts Volant CAI
    Ported TB Pro 5.0
    Textralia OZ700 assembly
    Strange 12 bolt with 4.10s
    UMI Adj. PHB/LCAs/SFCs
    417.76 RWHP 401.98 RWTQ
    17x9.5 275/40/17 18x9.5 295/35/18 C6Z06 Reps. with Verdesteins

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    Ya I think I told you about the TrickFlow's before. The LS6's might be more in your budget then. The horsepower difference is there. It's hard to say how much cause heads alone don't make horsepower they mainly support horsepower by supporting the intake and exhaust. This is all specific to your intended set up and goals. I will say you can't really go wrong with LS6 heads though.

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    thats a good idea to go off of then, one other question i had, would it be worth it to do just a cam swap without the heads?? also you know off the top of your head how much the ls6 heads are??



    2002 SOM Firebird Formula
    G5X1 112LSA UD Pulley Pacesetter LT Headers
    True Duals w/cutouts Volant CAI
    Ported TB Pro 5.0
    Textralia OZ700 assembly
    Strange 12 bolt with 4.10s
    UMI Adj. PHB/LCAs/SFCs
    417.76 RWHP 401.98 RWTQ
    17x9.5 275/40/17 18x9.5 295/35/18 C6Z06 Reps. with Verdesteins

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    I think Cole had found some for around 3 or 4 hundred bones. Now I did a part search online and found that new from gm they run about 800 bucks. Didn't say if they come with valves and springs though. Doing a cam swap usually goes hand in hand with heads. You have to pull them to swap the cam so might as well do it all at once so you are not wasting gaskets.

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    ah that makes sense, looks like ill probly be going with the ls6 heads then, any recommendations for the cam with that head? also, is the swap a job that i could do myself?



    2002 SOM Firebird Formula
    G5X1 112LSA UD Pulley Pacesetter LT Headers
    True Duals w/cutouts Volant CAI
    Ported TB Pro 5.0
    Textralia OZ700 assembly
    Strange 12 bolt with 4.10s
    UMI Adj. PHB/LCAs/SFCs
    417.76 RWHP 401.98 RWTQ
    17x9.5 275/40/17 18x9.5 295/35/18 C6Z06 Reps. with Verdesteins

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    You can do the swap yourself sure. You need to get a pulley puller the rest is basic tools. As far as cam that will all be preference. Mild to wild. If I was N/A personally I would choose either the magic stick 3 or 4.

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    what the hell is a pully puller? would i have to lift the engine any to get the cam out? and with the heads bein way back in the bay, does it make it a pain in the ass??



    2002 SOM Firebird Formula
    G5X1 112LSA UD Pulley Pacesetter LT Headers
    True Duals w/cutouts Volant CAI
    Ported TB Pro 5.0
    Textralia OZ700 assembly
    Strange 12 bolt with 4.10s
    UMI Adj. PHB/LCAs/SFCs
    417.76 RWHP 401.98 RWTQ
    17x9.5 275/40/17 18x9.5 295/35/18 C6Z06 Reps. with Verdesteins

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    Its a 3 prong tool used to pull the crank pulley out. You can't get it out by hand. Its torqued down at 240 ft.lb. The bolt will come out easy. You can pull the cam with the motor in the car. Just pull the radiator and condensor. Pull the heads and take out the lifters. Then jack the car up and put it in from the bottom.

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    ah i see, is there an install guide thats pretty much step by step for an f-body?? im still tinkering with the thought of doing it myself but im still undecided



    2002 SOM Firebird Formula
    G5X1 112LSA UD Pulley Pacesetter LT Headers
    True Duals w/cutouts Volant CAI
    Ported TB Pro 5.0
    Textralia OZ700 assembly
    Strange 12 bolt with 4.10s
    UMI Adj. PHB/LCAs/SFCs
    417.76 RWHP 401.98 RWTQ
    17x9.5 275/40/17 18x9.5 295/35/18 C6Z06 Reps. with Verdesteins

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    Well head removal is in the install guide. A cam install is in my build up. We can guide you through the pulley pull. But i think you said the car is your dd so have a back up ready in case you have problems.

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    lol yea its my dd, thats the main worry i have with doing it myself, if i had experience with it, i wouldnt have a problem, but im a lil nervous about doing it my first time as well as not having another car if i mess something up...i might have vengeance just do it for me, maybe get some cool stickers too!!!



    2002 SOM Firebird Formula
    G5X1 112LSA UD Pulley Pacesetter LT Headers
    True Duals w/cutouts Volant CAI
    Ported TB Pro 5.0
    Textralia OZ700 assembly
    Strange 12 bolt with 4.10s
    UMI Adj. PHB/LCAs/SFCs
    417.76 RWHP 401.98 RWTQ
    17x9.5 275/40/17 18x9.5 295/35/18 C6Z06 Reps. with Verdesteins

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    I HATE Spec clutches. I've had two and they both chattered, slipped and burnt up. I had one of thier Alu flywheels and when it came out of the car after less than 8000 miles the clutch had no material left and the ring gear was so loose that it probably would of eventually came off destroying whatever was in it way. JMHO.

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    Hmm that is a shame. I am running their twin disc and don't have a single problem. No chatter or anything. I am using a billet flywheel. Maybe it is the single discs. But not the first time I have heard of problems from them.

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    Spec's are usually good. I have heard of a few instances where people have the same problems that you do, but twice in a row understandably leaves a sour taste in the mouth. I have a Spec twin now and have used the 3+ before. My 3+ had chatter for about 300 miles. Then as I was going to get new tires I gave it the lead foot treatment and never heard it again. A big problem is those aluminum flywheels. They get very hot in city driving and cause excess wear.

    Textrailia has great clutches too. But I've heard of drivers complaining about them as well. One was a C5 owner who had one with very few miles on it let go on him and nearly cost him his legs/life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
    Spec's are usually good. I have heard of a few instances where people have the same problems that you do, but twice in a row understandably leaves a sour taste in the mouth. I have a Spec twin now and have used the 3+ before. My 3+ had chatter for about 300 miles. Then as I was going to get new tires I gave it the lead foot treatment and never heard it again. A big problem is those aluminum flywheels. They get very hot in city driving and cause excess wear.

    Textrailia has great clutches too. But I've heard of drivers complaining about them as well. One was a C5 owner who had one with very few miles on it let go on him and nearly cost him his legs/life.
    Having almost lost my leg a few years ago to a clutch explosion. I am very leary of products that others and myself have had problems with. After looking at the flywheel and seeing that ring gear I will never go back to them. But thats just me I know a few people that swear by Spec and wouldn't use anything else. Also thier customer service didn't make things better. I have heard that the twin disk from Spec is a good piece but almost all twins hold better and are more livable than a single disk that will hold the same power.

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    I wonder if all the problems stem from the aluminum flywheels???

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    I also recommend to anyone now getting a scattershield. Cheap insurance on life and limb. And yes Spec has some crappy CS, several phone calls to even get in touch with anyone, and forget them getting back to you on anything,

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    I never use aluminum flywheels and I know people that swear by not using them and even some of us have had similar problems. But I will say it occurs with much less frequency when using stock or billet flywheels.

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    Ohh man. I ordered mine from Bob @ EPP so I didnt have to deal with that. I do have a good sturdy bellhousing on my tranny though. Lets just hope I don't have the same misfortune. Its just crazy though cause I swear I love the way the clutch feels.

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    If the clutch/flywheel are installed properly and driven well there is probably a less than 1% chance of that ever happening. I myself will not take the chance though. McLeod scattershield all the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dixonk View Post
    I wonder if all the problems stem from the aluminum flywheels???

    I didn't have the aluminum flywheel with my first Spec. Aluminum flywheels cause you to have to slip the clutch slightly more to get it off the line but I don't think the two are related. The clutch wear maybe but the ring gear loosening no. Just to clarify the clutch explosion was not in my LSX car. It was in a 77 Z28 I had and that I shifted at 7000 RPM and didn't invest in the proper safety equipment. I took a gamble and lost. I knew better then and I definatly know better now.
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